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A gunman shot dozens of people at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Virginia Monday morning.  There were mass fatalities and injuries.

 

 

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SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:24 AM

Criminals don't follow the law. That's why they're "outlaws" or criminals.

So, no matter how many laws you pass, there will be people who ignore them, who will rob, rape and murder - even though there are thousands of statutes on the books that prohibit all of these.

So, Virginia Tech had a ban in place - even for concealed permit-holders - who had gone through background checks and who probably (I don't know the laws of Virginia concerning this matter...) had mandatory training - who are actually extensions of law enforcement under the second amendment. That is, they are required to act to STOP crime when it takes place, even though this today is an obscure duty under the second amendment.

Did Virginia Tech's ban on concealed carry stop this criminal? Will any such ban stop criminals? No.

However, law-abiding individuals follow the law - and will comply, even though it leaves them vulnerable. That's because they're law-abiding. Rather than violate the law, they will "roll the dice" and hope that chance favors them, that campus security will be able to react in time, that LEO's will be there in time to stop something that takes mere seconds to transpire.

Yes, yet another law did a lot of good - if you consider what this maniac did to these defenseless people.

I believe the people who made these students defenseless - should be held to account. Instead, this may well spark off a civil war.

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:25 AM

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:27 AM

I misspoke/mis-wrote. I meant, "Yes, yet another law did a lot of good - if you consider what this maniac did to these defenseless people GOOD". I do not.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:32 AM

One of the reasons such places are targeted by criminals is because they know they will be supreme in power while they use their weapon of choice. (at least until external sources arive on scene)

(This will get plenty of response....)
Vetted individuals with weapons permits should be allowed to carry. Speculative as it is, had just one other person in proximity of this event had a weapon with training, the results could have been vastly different.

I am all for security of campus to actually carry firearms as well. People don't go in with baseball bats like this! They use guns! Time to even the field with some deterence that is proven to work.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:34 AM

I'm gonna find out if I can carry my concealed .45 ACP at Front Range Community College. I generally never carry on campus, but ya know... with a wife and 2 kids... I just might take my chances.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:42 AM

Well the answer for all Front Range Community Colleges on weapons policy specifically nobody is allowed to carry, wear, or possess a firearm or any weapon..... Guideline written in 2001.

Guess I will just have to start buying bullet proof books and wear a vest...

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 11:52 AM

Abunai,

I'm not surprised Front Range is no different from the rest. The whole of academia is run by left-wing LSD-fried holdovers from the 60's - who are so dysfunctional they can't hold a real job. It is no wonder they are statist and dependents of government - and would like for all the rest of us to be dependent as well.

This is one reason I won't go back to school. Like RMGO's Dudley Brown says, "no guns, no money". I won't frequent an anti-American establishment, including any "educational" institutions.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 12:15 PM

I tell ya.. I can't agrue with your assessment. Since I attend the Boulder County campus, and honestly, I feel at times as if I have gone back in time three or four decades! I see young kids who have literally been brainwashed by the residual hippy faction.

I sit in some of these classes and my conservative views most of the time just shock them as if I was from some fictional story they read long ago.

I myself will be taking an extended break from my studies after this semester anyways, as one can only take that vacuume for so long.

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 12:28 PM

I agree. Cowards such as this prey on schools largely because there is little or no chance of resistance (for awhile, anyway).

If every card-carrying member of the NRA, ROTC, and Young Republicans were "allowed" to bear arms, stories such as this might be avoided.

Or at least have a happy ending.

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 12:31 PM

Understood, Abunai.

I watched the entire Ward Churchill spectacle, have a copy of Horowitz's book, "The Professors: The 101 most dangerous academics in America" and have followed much of what's going on in "higher education" today. It is obvious that history is undergoing a drastic revision, that our Founders/Framers are being marginalized - and the memory of what America is really supposed to be - expunged from national memory and consciousness.

This is no mere accident, either. Students of statecraft have seen historical precedent for this. Orwell just happens to be the most relevant for the times we find ourselves in.

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 12:34 PM

Exactly right, gjflash.

Recently, we had the situation up in Bailey. I got on with Peter Boyles and we both agreed that we don't need to reinvent the solution to this. The Israelis have already figured out what to do and what we discussed on the radio that morning was about "hardening" these locations - without creating a police state. That can mean only one thing.

Armed, trained citizens. Just like the founders - who threw off the yoke of King George III, with farmers, woodcutters, hunters, pitch and turpentine harvesters and shipwrights, citizens all.

SingleShotRb
Apr 16, 2007 | 12:38 PM

The grim reaper's tally now stands at 31.

Thirty-one people slaughtered.

One well-trained individual who stands as a representative of Constitutional Rule of Law - could have ended it before the bad guy fired his first shot - with a little luck.

But, because he wasn't allowed to carry on campus (assuming such an individual were present), thirty one die.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 2:10 PM

Apparently this guy carried multiple weapons. (story is two 9mm pistols) For him to (at present) kill 31 people, I would assume they were targets of opportunity rather than execution style than it sounds like he has had some training as well. No matter really, even a trained gun owner or someone with tactical experience knows to respect returning fire!

A teacher, facualty, staff, administrator, or any combination should be wearing a sidearm daily! How many times are we going to allow schools to be the target because of their absolute defenseless nature!

You don't see estranged people go walking into a police dept. and start firing now do we....

Either we secure all schools with hardened secutiry like at an airport with controlled entry and exit, and a buffer area, or we allow people the decency to at least defend themselves!!

Having one or two armed officers working an open campus wont cut it either. Enough already of the passivist mentality of submission. The idea that if you don't provoke then you wont get hurt is a pipedream! Ask these students how they fell about guns now... I bet they wish they had one today!

capb472001 read my blog view my photos
Apr 16, 2007 | 2:14 PM

Gee what happened in the 2 hrs between this guy shooting up the dorm and then shooting up the classrooms. Where were the campus police??? Why did they let the students go to class after the dorm shooting??? Duhhhhhhhhhhh.

DBryan78324 read my blog
Apr 16, 2007 | 2:44 PM

I hate to say it, but I agree that it is getting to the point that students need to be allowed to carry guns to school, for their own protection. After all why are gun permits issued, to protect yourself and your family and friends...
Dqve

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