MyFox
 

XNoctemNacimur's Blog

by XNoctemNacimur from littleton

Last Post 380 days, 3 hours Ago


conservative VS liberal mentality
Oct 31, 2007 | 1:46 PM
Category: Political
Report This Post

After being told by many conservatives that they fear the government and reflecting on Regan's 9 scariest words i have developed a theory concerning the very roots of this fear.

first of all lets look at what exactly there is to fear. we have a representative democracy, that is that the people place votes on a person based on their positions of many issues. the representative then takes their position in the government and represents their constituents based on the platform that won them an election and direct contact through many devises including but not limited to town hall meetings or polling. if a representative breaks the law or does not represent the will of the people, it is the duty of the people to defeat them in the next election or in extreme cases express the will to bring impeachment.

thus to fear this system is to fear the will of the majority, this fear is indicative of a will to have a minority rule the majority, thus overriding democracy. it come back to an authoritarian mentality. authoritarians don't want to collectively solve problems and search for the best solution, they want a patriarchal figure some one to "lead" by telling one what to do and how to do it, even what is best for them, rather than using diplomacy to come to a consensus of what is best for the community as a whole. Given this trend it is easy to understand why under republican rule the "haves" be come the "have mores" and the middle class becomes the working poor. power is shifted from the majority that they fear to the people with the capital to own the power. as power scratches money's back and visa versa.


along with the authoritarian mentality the role of government changes as well. a conservative views government as a authority to punish those who break laws, in my opinion this is why conservatives are concerned with what a person does in the bedroom, whether or not the drugs a person uses are illegal or not, hell some are even worried about how much porn you access. for a conservative its about enforcing personal morality. this is why things such as gay rights, and abortions are such hot button issues for them.

meanwhile a liberal views the government as an institution of the people, it sees government as a tool to regulate and level the playing field so that all may play and have a chance at the American dream. thus they create programs to help the people as a whole such as social security which was created as an insurance to protect the people from poverty. they are less concerned with the bedroom and more concerned about the morality of the nation as a whole, if we have poor or sick struggling among us it is immoral to do nothing about it.

the last thing i want to touch on is what we should fear within our government. quite simply it is corruption, it is pandering to special interests. a revolving door where a CEO can become for vice president and watch his stock options from his previous employer skyrocket due to policy created with new found power. it is special interest filling the pockets of our representatives to manipulate policy, not in the direction of the will of the people but to their own agenda.




13 Comments |  Add a Comment

Member Comments Total Comments: 13
Page 1 of 1
hfaylor23 read my blog view my photos
Oct 31, 2007 | 4:54 PM

POOP DICK
spcasm read my blog view my photos
Oct 31, 2007 | 7:06 PM

unborn baby killing ? is that pro or con?
socialist and liberals are out of my vocabulary, and people are just people...what do you consider middle income? 40 to 75 thous?
If so, where does that put the below 20 [thous] per year.
Abunai read my blog view my photos
Oct 31, 2007 | 8:05 PM

Just to clear some things up here:

First, we are a Democratic Republic not a Democracy... There actually is quite a difference.

second.. only liberals run an elected position based on polls or town hall meetings. True leadership leads by doing things that are in the best interest of the citizens whether its popular or not.

You do have the liberal view correct. Leveling the playing field is just another name for Socialism or Communism and straight out of either a Karl Marx writting or Hillary Clinton undergrad paper...

That last thing you speak of is just a lame hit on Cheney who required by law is frozen out of any decissions on stocks or companies he owns while in office. Maybe you should look at the 6 and 7 figure fees paid to previous Presidents from terrorist supporting nations alone that he has been paid to speak to then. Maybe the Chinese communist and muslim extremist connections to money that he is paid and now putting towards his wife's campaign....

as for corruption, you should read my latest blog posts as to some corruption that goes on that the media fails to report....

Don't worry my friend, now that the media no longer can fleece the citizens, the truth will be the best weapon against ALL the corruption instead of the hand picked few from one side you speak to....

nice try Noc....
truth1 read my blog
Nov 1, 2007 | 5:26 AM

Great reply abunai, libs just can't quite get it done by masking the real truth.
XNoctemNacimur read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 12:17 PM

Abunai,

thanks for your post, it actually proves my point. conservatives elect authoritarian father figures not representitives. the conservative idea of leadership does not include deplomacy. i would submit to you that that mentallity is opposed to the fouding of this nation, the very reasons our founding fathers saw it fit to revolt.


also you continue to misuse the term socialism. while some of the fundimentals may mirror socialism, it is not socialism. what i and most liberals are advocating for is regulated capitalism. that is capitalism with in a set of rules created to complement the strenghts of a competitve market protect the rights of an individual. unregulated or laissez faire capitalism leads to a corporate fudalist system.

truth is a funny thing, its never black and white and is often subject to interpretation.

also the purpose of this post was not to slam anyone, but rather better understand the very root of the positions we take at a psychoanalitical level.
Powerball read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 4:22 PM

the conservative idea of leadership does not include deplomacy

Well ok then, maybe it's because diplomacy is exactly what keeps a politician employed for 30 years. I think your approach is schwed, what liberals like yourself should be trumpheting is term limits!!

To suggest all conservatives are narrow minded and focused on morality in the bedroom weakens your argument X and you should know that.
Powerball read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 4:28 PM

By the way, not a jab--but diplomacy is spelled with an I not an e.

And I fail to see where Abunai has proven you to be correct, maybe you can expand on that thought process for us?

Often the truth is black or white regardless of interpretation.

Regulated capitalism is bigger government which means more intrusion, and if you think it's going to even the playing field your blindly trusting a system in which I've seen you comment harshly against.

Your thought process has a long way to go to be convincing.
Powerball read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 4:29 PM

the conservative idea of leadership does not include deplomacy

Well ok then, maybe it's because diplomacy is exactly what keeps a politician employed for 30 years. I think your approach is schwed, what liberals like yourself should be trumpheting is term limits!!

To suggest all conservatives are narrow minded and focused on morality in the bedroom weakens your argument X and you should know that.
XNoctemNacimur read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 5:10 PM

yeah i'm doing this at work and not really proof reading my posts.

anyway, conservatives want someone to come in "take charge" and tell them how to get the job done. that is how they view leadership. as i said they want an authoritarian father figure.

meanwhile a liberal who uses diplomacy in their leadership would say "this is the problem, this is my solution, anyone else have any ideas, lets figure out the best way to go about solving this problem. thats the purpose of a town hall meeting, and democracy in general, so that the representative will represent the will of the people.

Abunai proved that point with his statment. "second.. only liberals run an elected position based on polls or town hall meetings. True leadership leads by doing things that are in the best interest of the citizens whether its popular or not."

finally the bed room comment is based on conservative's topics of choice, why should there be a law banning gay marrage if it doesn't effect anyone else? to a conservative its about personal morallity, its about social control. lets bring up another topic, how about decriminalization of marajuana. now i dont smoke it, but i dont drink either, most liberals are for deciminalization most conservatives are not, why? because it has to do with personal morallity. or "the bed room" as i put it before.

also tell me how a monopoly is benificial to the society? why cornering the market bad? there is a reason we have the anti trust laws and while it may create "big government" the government is an instution of the collective people and the use anti trus
XNoctemNacimur read my blog view my photos
Nov 1, 2007 | 5:13 PM

use the anti trust laws to protect those people. it keeps the market competitive and complements the postitve aspects capitalism.
XNoctemNacimur read my blog view my photos
Nov 2, 2007 | 11:30 AM

"Regulated capitalism is bigger government which means more intrusion, and if you think it's going to even the playing field your blindly trusting a system in which I've seen you comment harshly against."


the government hasn't been run the way i would like in my life time, it has been mostly republican rule for the last 26 or so years, since Regan announced the death of the new deal. whether you like it or not Bill Clinton ran as a liberal but was a blue dog democrat. a centrist at best... don't forget the Sherman anti-trust act hasn't been enforced since Carter broke up AT&T

i have been most harshly critical of the last 26 years of rule, while the era of the new deal was not perfect, it did allow great post-depression progress. that cannot be denied.
drtbkr read my blog
Nov 4, 2007 | 7:03 AM

"while the era of the new deal was not perfect, it did allow great post-depression progress. that cannot be denied."

Can't be proved either.
XNoctemNacimur read my blog view my photos
Nov 5, 2007 | 1:00 PM

economic strength through the 40s 50s 60s 70s proves it, pull your head out of your EDIT.
Page 1 of 1


Write your comment below:




XNoctemNacimur

I'm a socialist, unborn baby killing, freedom & country hating, liberal! or am I? actually i am a mechanic, just a working class guy, looking out for my countries best interests. I see that laissez faire capitalism and democracy do not see eye to eye. I see that there has been an undeclared war waged on the American middle class. one where the super rich keep getting richer the poor get poorer, as the middle class disappears into a corporate feudalist system under the guise of freeing the market. i see that supply side economics is nothing more than grooming the American public to be consumers, not producers in the new world order. if you can't afford to be a consumer well sell yourself into slavery with your new Amero express card. does that make me a liberal? a socialist? fine so be it call it what you will. but do not tie me to the democratic leadership who has been all too willing to pander to the highest bidder while making it look like they are the opposition. at least the republicans will admit they are for hate, war and oppression. while the democrats only pretend to be against hate war and oppression.

Member Since: 9/12/2007


 

View All Photos