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I'm not a big fan of newspaper editorials, and I'm not usually a big fan of "cut and paste" bLog posts.  That being said, today's Rocky had a pretty good article today that discusses which candidate would actually be best for the workers.

 

Who's best for workers?

A Labor Day analysis of the two candidates' positions

 Rocky Mountain News

Monday, September 1, 2008

A presidential election is just two months away. So this Labor Day weekend, rather than reflect on the state of the work force, let's instead consider how working people are likely to fare under several of the policies of the two nominees, Barack Obama and John McCain.

The very concept of "working people" is fairly slippery, of course. Politicians who use the term clearly mean to exclude some Americans who do in fact work long hours but who earn too much money, in politicians' eyes, to qualify for consideration. So we'll define working people as those whose household income is at or below $75,000 (the median household income, reported last week by the Census Bureau, is $50,233 a year).

* Income taxes. Both candidates promise tax cuts, with Obama claiming Thursday that his would benefit 95 percent of "all working families." Moreover, McCain would make the Bush tax cuts permanent and double the dependent child credit from $3,500 to $7,000.

Obama has not been clear about whether he would let all the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 - if so, marginal rates would rise for everyone who files a 1040. He would, however, give a $500- per-worker tax credit for every household earning less than $150,000 and provide families a $4,000 credit for each college student.

Advantage: Obama for unmarried heads of household and (slightly) families with kids in college; McCain for everyone else - and a big edge to McCain should Obama let all the Bush tax cuts expire.

* Energy. Both candidates back a cap-and-trade proposal on greenhouse gases that would amount to a massive tax increase on fossil fuels, particularly coal. Consumers will pay higher energy bills.

Obama has promised a one-time, $1,000 energy "rebate" per household "for working families" that would be paid for with a windfall profits tax on oil companies. If the experience of the early 1980s is any guide, the tax would depress domestic energy production, boosting prices to everyone long after the rebate checks had been spent.

In McCain's favor, he opposes ethanol subsidies and mandates, which have caused corn prices to rise. Obama backs them.

Advantage: McCain.

* Health care. Obama would build on the current mix of employment-based health insurance and government programs. He would cover more of the uninsured by forcing big employers to insure all workers and expanding government subsidies. In the view of some prominent health-care economists, this plan could push companies to lay off low-wage workers, or at least not hire as many. That's no bargain. Whether it would save money for workers who are already insured is another matter. Obama is predicting a large reduction in annual premiums, but that seems extremely unlikely.

McCain, by contrast, would end the tax benefits for employer-provided health insurance and give individuals income-tax credits to buy coverage. He would also let people shop nationwide for insurance and let nonemployer membership groups like AARP and unions sell group policies. McCain's plan would end a major tax distortion that has boosted medical costs. But we need a lot more details.

Advantage: Unsure. Perhaps Obama, if he is correct about a reduction in premiums - a very big if. The more likely advantage is to McCain.

* Jobs. For most workers, the basic questions are: If you have a job, can you keep it? If you're looking for work, can you find it?

McCain's proposals would encourage growth and job creation; Obama's might in some cases - he said Thursday night, for example, that he'd eliminate the capital gains tax on startup companies, however he defines them. But some of his other proposals reduce incentives for capital formation and investment. For example, he favors a higher capital gains tax in most cases as well as higher taxes on dividends - meaning higher taxes on investment at a time when entrepreneurs (who provide jobs) need a boost.

The Democratic candidate repeatedly says he would create 5 million "green collar" jobs - but he means through subsidies. Those would not be 5 million net new jobs.

McCain would cut the U.S. corporate income tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent, which is closer to the international norm. He also backs cuts in taxes on capital gains and dividends.

Advantage: McCain (clearly).

No president operates in a policy vacuum. Congress always has the prerogative to adopt, amend or reject a president's agenda.

Some would argue, for that matter, that Obama's promise to "end tax breaks for corporations that ship jobs overseas" would also help working families, but it's unclear how he intends to do this. Moreover, companies that invest abroad often end up expanding their operations here, contrary to the popular stereotype. In addition, one reason that U.S. companies invest abroad is because of the lower corporate tax rates they often find there. If Obama wants to keep more jobs in America he should follow McCain's lead and endorse a lower domestic rate, too.

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toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Sep 1, 2008 | 12:43 PM

that pretty well covers it. Nice post.

dizzee read my blog view my photos
Sep 1, 2008 | 3:52 PM

Yup - Great post! BTW, did ya'll make the rally?

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 2, 2008 | 7:35 AM

Thanks guys, but I didn't write it. I thought it was very interesting though, given the fact that the dems are supposed to be the party of the workers.

I didn't get to the rally, diz. You weren't gonna be there, so I didn't see the point ;-)

dizzee read my blog view my photos
Sep 2, 2008 | 8:40 AM

Okay, let me rephrase that....Great find! My parents/grandparents were die hard democrats, and always said they were for the "working man". I don't see that anymore - especially now.

So, all I had to do was make the rally to help secure our borders and meet up with you? Wow, I really blew it. Now I have guilt. Is this what an Obama supporter feels like?

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 2, 2008 | 8:53 PM

If this were my Grandfather's Democratic Party, I would probably be a dem...but it's not. I wonder what Grandpa would think of this B. Hussein Obama fellow (I'm guessing not much).

I rebelled like hell against my Republican parents in every other possible way, it's kind of odd that I turned out to be such a staunch Conservative. It could be that common sense took over. Maybe I just witnessed a lot of liberal programs gone wrong. I'm having a tough time understanding how anyone could want Obama to run our Country now, his past associations scare the hell out of me.

I honestly think that many Obama supporters have, deep down inside, a loathing for our Country. They've been listening to Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donell, and they WANT to see it ruined.

They SHOULD feel guilty for it.

As for you, pretty lady, don't feel guilt. I felt bad enough missing the rally as it was, I'd have felt a LOT of guilt knowing that you were there looking for me! Maybe another time...

roneraygun
Sep 2, 2008 | 10:19 PM

Seems to me that there's a lot of disenfranchised unhappy Democrats out there. Honestly guys, can you really believe anything that comes out of Barack Obama's mouth?? Look at his past, his association with Rev.Jeremiah Wright, known terrorist William Ayers, and his pal Father Michael Flager who stated "America is the greatest sin against God". I believe that Obama doesn't have America's best interests at heart. I actually think he's an elitist and wants socialism over individual freedoms.

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 3, 2008 | 7:55 AM

I believe you're absolutely right, roneraygun.

Juggernaut76
Sep 4, 2008 | 3:13 PM

Wow! You people are funny. You really think a man that has had a free ride his whole life (just like Bush) deserves to be president. Sure I salute his service and really feel for him The pain and agony of being a P.O.W. I'm sure it was hard mentally and physically and has scared him for life. However with that being said he should of been kicked out of the Naval academy but because his father and grandfather were Admirals he was ALLOWED to stay even with his POOR grades and defiant attitude (bottom 4% FACT #1) now that’s sad. How do you fail so bad in the Naval academy when your Father and grandfather are decorated admirals? Then he's finally released and comes home to a wife and a family who has been waiting a long five years to be with the husband and father they love, just to be abandoned and replaced by a young beautiful rich women (fact #2) who's family has strong ties to Arizona politics (fact #3) and so his journey begins. Yeah sure he talks tough and says he's a Maverick but what kind of Maverick votes 90-95% the same as a failed President (fact #4). He's a warmonger and will probably catapalt us into world war 3 with in a year and just like the rest of the republicans does not care about us. Unless were rich or belong to big oil were second class citizens and do not matter. He gets off and has the audacity to talk down to Bema because he was a community organizer well that’s just sad because the job of a community organizer is to help the real people of this country the factory workers that have been laid off who's job's were sent over seas or to Mexico thanks to t

Juggernaut76
Sep 4, 2008 | 3:15 PM

.....thanks to the tax breaks McCain wants to keep in place for companies who are sending them, the single mothers who need to get back to work and off welfare, they make sure communities have the funds to have youth sports leagues and the open space to play and so much more. That’s a joke to the repubs. Palin's comments last night were horrific and will negatively impact McCain’s chances further. Obama just pulled Iowa and Minnesota and is a lot closer to winning. Obama is NOT perfect and has had issues with his judgment but I'll take a Man who is constitutional scholar and teaches constitutional law, has a degree in law from Harvard (also was the President of the Harvard law review) and after he graduated went to help the real people with real issues in the community instead of pursuing a lucrative career in law, a man who has fought for women and their equal pay, a man who doesn’t have the corrupt experience the Repubs are screaming he lacks. The issues are simple although I'm personally against all abortion I feel a Woman has a right to choose that option, I'm for tax breaks for the majority of this country the hard working middle class, I'm for stopping tax breaks for big oil and companies that send OUR jobs over seas, and even though Obamas health care plan needs some work I believe It will help more Americans obtain the health care they need to fight diabetes and other life changing illness that financially ruin good hard working Americans. So in closing If you want to go against the majority of your country men and women and try to put a war monger, who is so out of

Juggernaut76
Sep 4, 2008 | 3:18 PM

...... touch with main stream America its ridiculous, who's Administration (in my opinion) will be worse then the current one in office then that’s your American right and I say right on and good luck! BTW GO BRONCOS!

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 4, 2008 | 4:42 PM

One word, Juggernaut: Paragraphs.

Please pick one topic to rant on. This particualr post deals with the economy, and it's authored by a liberal...did you read it? I would love to discuss it with you. Thanks!

Go Broncos!

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 4, 2008 | 6:53 PM

"GjFAKE- your an IDIOT"

Speaking of idiots, didn't you mean "YOU'RE"?

As in: "You're an idiot, Karl."

1. What was the price of "gass" when Pelosi and Reid took control of Congress little over a year ago?

I'll enlighten you: It was $1.99.

2. (You didn't numerate your points past #1, let me help you out) How, exactly, is the mortgage crisis the fault of the President? If people make home loans that they can't afford, there are going to be problems. You may want the gubbamint to step in and bail people out of each and every financial problem that they get themselves into, but realists such as myself understand that, in a free market economy, the interests of the people making the loans have to be protected also.

Let's say I sell someone my home. I make them a good deal, but they default on the payments. Are you proposing that I just give them my home at that point? If they aren't paying their debt to me, how do I pay my debts to others?

3. The Nation's deficit ALWAYS goes up in time of war. The libtards may want to deny the need or existence of war, but it exists nonetheless, and there are bills to pay for it.

What I do know is this: When the terrorists attacked us on 9/11, they promised a long, terrible war fraught with attacks on American soil. I don't know what Country you've been living in, but we've been kept pretty safe.

I hope this helped to enlighten you, it's what I'm here for. Have a great day, Karl.

gjflash read my blog view my photos
Sep 5, 2008 | 10:11 AM

The economy and the defecit are two different things. Related, yes, but different.

Economy - 1. thrifty management; frugality in the expenditure or consumption of money, materials, etc.

Defecit - 1. The amount by which a sum of money falls short of the required or expected amount.


Wars historically stimulate the economy, because Americans with feelings of optimism, hope, and pride in their Nation spend more money.

The exceptions would be Vietnam and Iraq, when the liberally-biased alphabet media began using the conflicts to advance their personal agendas.

Not much in the way of optimism, hope, and pride on the left side of the political spectrum, and there hasn't been since the 70's. And no, that's not a coincidence.

Our_American_Pride read my blog
Sep 5, 2008 | 12:22 PM

Great post, your adding my my fav list. :) Great pictures, btw.

Keep up the great bloggin!

Isaac

Lastone
Sep 6, 2008 | 1:49 PM

I've been an employer for 15 years now.
I can assure that the current "health care crises" wasn't 'invented' or 'created' by the current administration, folks. A fair amount of these 20-something youngsters that we have employed over the years, aren't interested in Health Insurance. Not by virtue of not heaving enough money to do so, but the need to spend it on toys and drugs. That doesn't speak for all 20-somethings, but for an eye-opening majority. They simply don't hold the value of Health coverage as important. EVEN when they have had to go to the hospital, it doesn't even hit them then.
I can't tackle these kids down and wave the enrollment form in front of them.
Now, as far as being forced to supply these folks with coverage, it'd break my companies back, and that of many others.
And I am not going to specifically mention who the majority within that twenty-something group are, that are consistently unwed with 3+ kids, more on the way, or have their seeds spread out to various women.

Re: Health care.Obama would build on the current mix of employment-based health insurance and government programs. He would cover more of the uninsured by forcing big employers to insure all workers and expanding government subsidies.

Who is out of touch???

Re: He would also let people shop nationwide for insurance and let nonemployer membership groups like AARP and unions sell group policies.

THIS is what we need!!!! Having low numbers of enrollees, yet high numbers of ELLIGABLE employees. (for reasons stated above in my post) companies like mine are incapable of shoppin

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