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Justice Souter denies application for injunction to stay election
WASHINGTON, D.C. – On Oct. 31, Andy Martin, the author and law professor who filed a lawsuit in Hawaii in an attempt to procure a copy of Obama’s “original” birth certificate, said the state of Hawaii confirmed there is an original type-written 1961 birth certificate, that has not been previously released.

On Monday, Supreme Court Justice David Souter denied Attorney Philip Berg’s application for injunction to stay the Nov. 4 election, pending the disposition of his petition for a writ of certiorari, to which the defendants have until Dec. 1 to respond.

However, what Berg has learned with respect to birth certificates and recordation of such explains the deep concern over Obama’s citizenship:

If a person is born in a hospital, the hospital transmits the information to the state department of health and a birth certificate is created.

If a person is born abroad, the original foreign birth certificate must be taken to the department of health in the state where the birth is being registered.

The original foreign birth certificate is stored at the department of health, which produces a “Certification of Live Birth.”

If a person is born at home, the birth must be registered at the department of health with the medical records and birth certificate, which a doctor issues upon examination of the mother and child.

In other words, for just about everyone, the department of health will have a “vault” copy of that person’s birth certificate on file.

Berg also learned that in 1961 Hawaiian birth certificates were black and typewritten. In 2001 the Hawaii Department of Health offered a short and long version of these documents.
If the birth occurred in a hospital in Hawaii the short version, called a “Certificate of live Birth,” was issued, not a Certification of Live Birth (COLB), as the Obama campaign has been using.

A COLB, according to Berg, is nothing more than a document stating the person was born, proving neither the person’s birth nor citizenship.

Additionally, on the bottom left of a COLB, if a person is born abroad, it states “accepted,” as the one produced by Obama does. It also states the date the Hawaii Department of Health accepted the registration of birth.

According to Berg, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, “could not have registered Obama’s birth in Hawaii without the original ‘vault’ version of the foreign birth certificate, nor could she have gotten Obama out of Kenya,” where Berg believes Obama was born.

Another lawsuit was filed on Monday in U.S. District Court in Ohio by Allen Stamper against U.S. District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, Obama and Senator John Sidney McCain, claiming neither Obama, McCain, nor any other candidate for U.S. President is “entitled” to be President of the United States without establishing his eligibility to run for office.

On Oct. 29, Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., who holds four degrees from Harvard, A.B., A.M., Ph.D. and J.D., and has practiced constitutional law for over thirty years, wrote an article for newswithviews.com titled, “Obama must stand up now or step down.”

He wrote, “America is facing potentially the gravest constitutional crisis in her history. Barack Obama must either stand up in a public forum and prove, with conclusive documentary evidence, that he is ‘a natural born Citizen’ of the United States who has not renounced his American citizenship — or he must step down as the Democratic Party’s candidate for President of the United States — preferably before the election is held, and in any event before the Electoral College meets.”

He said Obama’s “stubborn refusal” to provide conclusive proof strongly suggests “no sufficient evidence in his favor exists.”

When Surrick dismissed Berg’s case, Vieira noted it was not because Obama has proven he is eligible for the office of President, but because, simply as a voter, Berg lacks “standing” to challenge Obama’s eligibility.

Vieira wrote, “If Obama turns out to be nothing more than an usurper who has fraudulently seized control of the Presidency, not only will the Constitution have been egregiously flouted, but also this whole country could be, likely will be, destroyed as a consequence.

And if this country is even credibly threatened with destruction, every American will be harmed … Therefore, in this situation, any and every American must have ‘standing’ to demand … that Obama immediately and conclusively prove himself eligible for ‘the Office of President.’”
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marilyn37 read my blog view my photos
Nov 11, 2008 | 9:16 PM

obama has certainly remained standing...

i agree with vieira last statement. american's disappointment at such deceit it would be disastrous.

toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Nov 11, 2008 | 9:44 PM

I have hope that it will catch up to him. everything about him seems to have an air of fraud.

I agree with the whole thing particurarly the very last sentence.

marilyn37 read my blog view my photos
Nov 11, 2008 | 10:13 PM

maybe information will be forthcoming soon.

Caer
Nov 12, 2008 | 5:48 PM

Maybe that is what Obama wants, the US to be destroyed so his mid-east friends and left wing nut friends can take over. I am surprised that as a legal voter you cannot ask for proof of citizenship of a president-elect. After all he was elected for the people and by the people and all legal US citizen are the people.

toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Nov 12, 2008 | 9:08 PM

I think it is a game he is playing with the american people and it is called hide the truth. I really have issues with him coming clean on his place of birth. My gut tells me he is a citizen on kenya.

DiMur view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 9:53 AM

One thing that strikes me is how much they love him in France. Have you heard about the "Obama-mania" there? They have Obama memorabilia all over the place - even little doggy sweaters. My first thought was that I'd love him too if I hated America. The French hate us and they love Obama. I think that's very telling.

I refuse to acknowledge him as president unless he proves his citizenship. I agree that all Americans should demand that. If he wants to be our employee, he has to prove his eligibility like anyone else.

Caer
Nov 13, 2008 | 1:01 PM

You really think the French have any sense. They think the greatest actor ever is Jerry Lewis. They produced greats like Napolean to lead them to conquet the world, and even took him back after he was defeated and sent to exile to lead them once more. They hate the US because we succeeded in building a great wealthy country and they have to ask us to help them from the Kaiser, Hitler and Russia. They also hate us because they got the bad end of the deal with the Louisiana Purchase and probably want us to pay what that land is worth now and Obama is just the person to do it.

DiMur view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 3:58 PM

Well, I don't know how much sense they have, but my whole point is that they hate us, so naturally they would love Obama. Sort of reminds me of an Irish toast - "Health to your enemies' enemies".

They sure seem to have forgotten how we saved their butts in WWII, haven't they?

toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 6:07 PM

Europe is full of mindless twits, We have our fair share here. they voted in a foreigner at least in my mind.

DiMur view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 9:50 AM

I don't think it's just in your mind. He hasn't proven that he's an American. And I won't acknowledge him as the president unless he does.

toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 4:33 PM

I'm with ya. I won't acknowledge him as president untill he comes clean. Even then I may still not acknowledge.

KRUPT
Nov 15, 2008 | 10:13 AM

You guys sound like the 9/11 conspiracy folks. You have excuses to not believe anything that doesn't jive with your agenda.

Give it up allready.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/ju
n/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

cjrian read my blog
Nov 15, 2008 | 5:40 PM

Which 9/11 conspiracy? That a bunch of exremists targeted 4 buildings filled with innocents? I buy that theory, right! Or did you mean the Fabian Socialist agenda, where any potential weapon against the non-Socialist is legitimate? OK, I can't buy that one. Either way, we are supposed to disappear from this Earth. Bite my b*tt and go to Mars!!

toadie800 read my blog view my photos
Nov 15, 2008 | 10:32 PM

prove his birth certificate then and not a certificate of live birth.

Btw I agree with everybody else posting here.

KRUPT
Nov 16, 2008 | 3:11 PM

Glad you agree with me Toadie :)

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/DocView/slbid/1/2/138?hilit
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INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Now, can we just get back to arguing over how to fix the economy...

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